2020 I did a talk called "all organizations are rational until you put people in" Once could say I probed into the hypothesis that people and their neuroscientific behavior is the first principle of what then emerges. 2021 Bas did a brilliant talk about how ~technical practices might actually be social skill building. This spotlights how a first principle of organizational behavior and it's evolvement is a duality. "The mindset of the people creates the structures that creates the mindsets. Or the structures of the organization creates the mindsets that evolves the structures. " What opportunities emerges if we probe deeply in to understanding organizational development as a coupled problem this way? Can we emerge new strategies to ease the pain of agile transformations (Aka LeSS adoptions) by viewing the world this way?